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  Accepting my own mortality, and the naturalness of death - the final step in my JW recovery.

  by fresh prince of ohio in

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  for people who have a paralyzing fear of dying, to where it seems like it's this horrible, stalking monster, jwism is a powerful sedative.. but really, the idea of living forever, in human form, is nonsense.

  living forever isn't about living forever, it's about not dying.. death is natural.

  it can be painful, sudden, or both.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6bc_Gsp7s
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  Accepting my own mortality, and the naturalness of death - the final step in my JW recovery.

  by fresh prince of ohio in

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  for people who have a paralyzing fear of dying, to where it seems like it's this horrible, stalking monster, jwism is a powerful sedative.. but really, the idea of living forever, in human form, is nonsense.

  living forever isn't about living forever, it's about not dying.. death is natural.

  it can be painful, sudden, or both.

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  If people didn't die, there wouldn't be room for new life.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

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  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Part 4

  As explained in part 3 the child absorbs parental information and that becomes their Parent ego state, howeve emotions like being scared of mum's anger after asking many questions, crying after being punished for trying to touch the stove, or doing the thing dad does not like, and the good emotions that makes them happy, these bad and good emotions are part of the development of the Child ego state. (Figure 2)

  In adulthood when we do something we consider wrong or our fault, most of us feel guilty, stressed, concerned, we are in our Child ego state. The lesser the negative emotions during childhood (Nurturing Parent) the more positive/balanced mentality we have when confronted in these situations. Those who have a childhood with a lot of persistent don’ts, no's and punishments, constantly feeling 'I am not OK' (Controlling Parent), in adulthood this person tends to be more neurotic.

  JW's being that they want to do what they consider to be correct to their children usually are in the category of controlling parent. This is why fear, phobias and depression are predominating in adult jw's.

  There is a little more terminology that will not be covered, for the purposes to understand Controlling and Nurturing Parent ego states I include fig. 3, for any future references I will be using the more basic P-A-C (Fig. 2)

  As i explain more this will start to make more and more sense, I just don't have time to cover everything in one go.

  

  
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

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  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Band on the Run : I think that the title for this thread is most appropriate, I am explaining cult indoctrination from a TA perspective, however the title will change meaning, you see a child denotes that it has physical parents but as well the child could acquire an invisible parent as substitute.

  TA is all about understanding ego states, transactions, games, scripts and strokes but I am focused on cults so in that regard I need to explain what TA is before we delve into cults, but not everything about TA because some parts are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

  TA isn't the only thing that appeals to me, anything that can help me understand myself and others helps, I am currently doing CBT and halfway through reading Working With Emotional Intelligence. But in the context of this thread, the topic, TA is my most favourite, you will find many aspects of TA in harmony with other psychological perspectives (psychoanalysis, cognitive, humanistic, behavioural, positive, etc.) and it was the easiest for me to understand and apply in real life. Now this is just my opinion, what works best for me and not for someone else.

  Let’s take for example Hassan on mind control in which he wrote that our approach to those in the cult are important, we do not want to turn on their cult mentality so our approach to them is important, he then goes on explaining the importance of rapport and timing, which I totally agree with. This is completely sound with TA, cult mentality is the Parent ego state, but the only difference is that we can understand why by imagining the transactions between person A and person B ego states, not only that but in real time, I have to make sure that our transactions are maintained between Adult to Adult, but as well cognitive dissonance can be applied to the ego states. Furthermore, knowing that we can relate to them and since we understand their past and present TA becomes a very powerful tool that can almost be used to predict what will occur during transactions.

  And just so we are clear, I am not implying that TA is everything just as Combatting Cult Mind Control is all I need to read and understand. No, not the way I see it, just as psychology does not have a paradigm like biology, chemistry and physics, but rather perspectives, so to me it is beneficial to understand many aspects of psychology and apply what I think is best for a situation.

  The purpose to understand indoctrination is that it is a component to TA such that we can understand them better, their personality and beliefs/values later in their adult life. It is not really on what we went through (we all have at least a basic understand of hardships of child indoctrination) but how it transcends into our adult life. People flying planes into buildings, avoiding blood transfucions, shunning family members, paying a cult 10% of their salary, it all starts when we are cognitivily dependent of someone, so just like psychoanalysis we need to start from the root.
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  GAH!! AGM!!! >:( (Or "Grumblecakes is Disgusted")

  by grumblecakes in

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  first of all, big "thank you's" to everyone who put up the goods after attending!

  why im disgusted.

  the new bible (no, it doesnt have a new name, for all who are asking) is a huge f**king monstrosity!

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  It is not the first bible to be simplified (CEB) but I am certain that their simplified version will be put to good use, after all if the GB can simply ignore key doctrine JW principles they will do whatever they like.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
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  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Thanks, you will be disappointed getting all three books because they have more or less the same material, Games people play is mainly focused in games explained through TA, I'm OK you're OK is a good well worded easy to read book which I recommend to all, TA today has slightly more information than I’m OK you're OK. There are other books that I have not read like Scripts (Transactional Analysis in Bite Sized Chunk).

  There are also academic books which are more exhaustive and technical
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Part 3

  The Parent ego state is developed during childhood, usually from 0 to 5~7 years of age. During these years the child is heavily influence by its parents in a time that very little meaning could be constructed, so the child takes information from the parents without editing.

  Why is the sky blue, why do people get angry, why why why? Asks the child in which the parent responds with many no's and don’ts with a horrified or angry face, the feeling of guilt follows. Also, what is god's name and the child replies Jehovah, you cannot trust anyone other than Jehovah’s witnesses says the parent, etc. The point is that what the child absorbs regardless if it is negative or positive all this info is as true to the child and it's a powerful influence when the child becomes an adult, for better or for worse.

  For example, the mothers love, the father’s kindness, and the sense of being protected, thus in adult the Parent ego state can be protective and helpful. But also with all the no's like DONT TOUCH THAT STOVE, the child will not touch it for not wanting to be spanked but as a parent it is so the child does not end up with 3rd degree burns because children cannot perceive getting their hands burned until after it happens. Being brought up as a JW going to the kingdom hall and witnessing, socialising, and listening/visualising my parents greatly influenced me, my way of deducing information when I got older, until we decided to change (by our Adult ego state) our Parent ego state acquired from youth it does not change.

  Now that you have an idea how the Parent ego state is developed, and after you have watched the video you should start to see a pattern.

  
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Frazzled UBM :If you are not aware of all psycholgical explanations then you can not say the your most cogent psychological explanation is cogent.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Frazzled UBM: I will show how parents and their Parent ego state which includes their beliefs (religions, culture and other views) and behaviours affects the child's ego states.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Part 2

  I am a bit disappointed in the manner that I worded part 1 so let me sum it down.

  Psychoanalysis explanation of conscience (Id), subconscious (Ego) and unconscious (Super Ego) are all concepts to understand our mind, however TA ego states are psychological realities.

  As I tried to explain cognitive dissonance to many this and many other psychological theories although proven to be true can be difficult to clearly explain it to others. TA is easier to understand because it is logical to many who don’t a background in psychology.

  TA teaches that we have 3 ego states, Child, Parent, Adult, we can change from Parent to another ego state in real time.

  Both Parent and Child ego states are developed when we are young and changed after 5 to 7 years of age by our Adult ego

  The purpose of this thread will not be to discuss TA in full but child indoctrination and possibly communicating to those in the cult.

  In the meantime watch this video, part 2 and 3 of this video series is not relevant to what will be discussed in this thread.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o